Speaker 0:  amazon go and google both go nuclear. so what do you think is going on here?

Speaker 1:  yeah. so they're following strides with microsoft, obviously, and they're seeing the, they're seeing the benefit of nuclear power, especially small nuclear reactors or smrs. so, again, they partner with kairos, which i think microsoft did as well. i could be wrong, or maybe i'm just mixing up everything because there's so much news. but i know google's partnered with kairos, to develop a series of advanced nuclear reactor plants. but, i think this is so until you and i had the conversation, because i haven't looked into the new nuclear technology as far as nuclear fission, but, apparently, there's there's no more byproduct. so i'm all for this.

Speaker 0:  it depends on the technology they're implementing. i can't say that that's what they're implementing in all of the

Speaker 1:  exactly. yeah. yeah.

Speaker 0:  but, there's techno technology where it eats its own output. whatever, waste gets just put back in and reused. yeah. yeah. so yeah. so this is interesting. so the difference is they're doing they're restarting the reactor at three mile island so they can buy power from there. i can't remember the name of the company, but, hopefully, we'll discover it as we go here. but these people are buying those portable nuclear reactors that they're gonna have on-site, i guess, near their data centers? yeah. and this is similar to the ones we talked about, and we did a little bit of a deep dive where elon musk's ex engineer was developing those, mobile nukes, nuclear reactors.

Speaker 1:  was it the same company? no. we did a different company. okay. i think

Speaker 0:  they were called radiant.

Speaker 1:  oh, that's right. yeah. yeah. so yeah. so i was wrong, though. it's amazon and google aren't using both kairos. amazon's using, dominion energy and x energy.

Speaker 0:  yeah. i have a good article over here on do toronto stars dot com, surprisingly enough. and, basically, they're talking about the different energy demands, right, and how we're breaking the international energy agency forecast that total electricity consumption could reach more than one thousand terawatt hours in twenty twenty six, more than doubling from twenty twenty two.

Speaker 1:  that's crazy.

Speaker 0:  and to keep that in mind, a one terawatt can power seventy thousand homes, so we're talking about seven million homes. what's a thousand times seventy thousand?

Speaker 1:  oh, it's too early for me to know.

Speaker 0:  i know. i've only got my first coffee here. so, nonetheless, big number. right? so they're trying to get to their clean energy goals, and they've been trying to use wind and solar, but they're not there where they need to be. yeah. so, so nuclear power seems to be the next breakthrough for our zero emissions. they seem to have cleared the way because all these, you know, microsoft made their announcement. now we got google and amazon. we're gonna see a bunch more, i'm sure, after this because a long term, it's probably cheaper than paying for the energy. right? because yes.

Speaker 1:  and i'm guessing they can sell back the excess energy back to the power grid too when they're on the

Speaker 0:  absolutely. so amazon is using x energy. i think that's what you were saying. yeah. and google is using kairos power. yeah. so all that information is here on that article in tronto starts dot com. and so they're using small nuclear reactors where microsoft is planning on a, you know, regular sized nuclear reactor for whatever

Speaker 1:  yeah. but i i wouldn't be surprised if they're also exploring these smaller nuclear reactors as well. they just haven't maybe made an announcement yet.

Speaker 0:  absolutely. because they've got data centers all over the place. why would you assume that they're just gonna be stuck with the one? so yeah. you know, this is interesting. you know, you were the one who's always been worried about, you know, nuclear material disappearing and, you know, what are the security and, like, this isn't gonna happen, and yet here we are. right? and it's happening.

Speaker 1:  yeah.

Speaker 0:  they're planning to having these live by twenty thirty.

Speaker 1:  twenty thirty, which is crazy, which is awesome. but, yeah, i so, yeah, i'm always concerned that, nefarious people could create dirty bombs with the materials. and the more reactors you have, even small ones, the more access people have to materials, the easier the access. that's just me being paranoid, but, paranoid that survive. but yeah.

Speaker 0:  and it's funny. microsoft has partnered with the three mile island project. so that's what it's called, the company they're working with versus okay. x energy and whatnot. that's why i couldn't figure the name.

Speaker 1:  because it is the name.

Speaker 0:  yeah. yeah. so it's amazing that they're doing this, and i'm curious to see whose strategy is gonna work the most, what happens when we start taking, these things off the grid. but my other concern is we're starting to see more and more and more as we need more power. like, for the first time, i'm thinking, you know, wow. maybe i should've went with the macbook pro because i want the faster processors, the more gpus, the power ai. i really wasn't into that at this point, but i'm i think we're gonna see more and more people doing that. so is this gonna be offset by the amount of power people are using at home going up or the people using at regular sized offices?

Speaker 1:  i don't know. actually, the one thing i was thinking about this morning was incandescent light bulbs. they used a crap load of power. right? yep. now we've moved to leds, which barely use any power. so that's one thing i was thinking of as far as powerdream, especially because they've implemented them in street lights and everywhere. so there is just there's a huge power consumption that's kind of gone that's kind of disappeared or has diminished. right? but when we're talking computing power, i don't know. i don't think there's gonna be i don't think there's a huge diminish with these with people's laptops and things like that, but who knows?

Speaker 0:  yeah. so i don't think our power usages have ever gone down.

Speaker 1:  no. oh, no. i think it's

Speaker 0:  yeah. we're, like, we're having trouble with grids at certain times when it's a heat wave, for example. yeah. yeah. so what do we do in the situation? you know, are these gonna just become more popular? when i say that, i mean, i've been proponent. one of our first episodes, we talked about backyard nukes. like, when are we going to have cities yeah. say, you know what? we're gonna just buy our own, or, it just becomes free rein. like, this seems like it is becoming free rein.

Speaker 1:  neighborhoods have their own microreactor or mini reactor that powers the whole neighborhood yeah. instead of in the backyard.

Speaker 0:  well, yeah. i mean, it's a you can fit it in your back yard is the concept of a backyard. you know, a back these things can power, eight hundred homes or a thousand homes or, you know, eight thousand homes depending on i can't remember when we went back to look at radiant. but, you know, they're saying that demand for ai is gonna be, over a thousand terawatts. and so you gotta sit back and say, this looks like the future for energy. and if it's gonna be acceptable at the company level, you're gonna imagine that governments are gonna be building big nuclear plants again.

Speaker 1:  yeah. for sure. and then don't even get us started on nuclear fusion. right?

Speaker 0:  yeah. and you know? that's a whole different kettle of fish, honestly.

Speaker 1:  yeah. so for those of you nuclear fusion is when you fuse to, is it atoms together? yes. yeah. is it atoms together? whereas you're breaking apart atoms, and that's what the current technology is, which is nuclear fission, and that's been around for many, many years. fusion is the, essentially, what they call holy grail of power, and that's essentially, that's the power that the sun generates, essentially.